APCW Perspectives Friday 01/09/09

**Anthony** · 9 January 2009, 9:15 am

We follow-up with the Cardspike story we brought you on Tuesday's show with some new information and a statement about the allegations that Casino Affiliate programs (CAP) is involved with the site. Also, industry news that ties online gambling to terrorism!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMoblXgPJp8&fmt=18

**GPWA Teresa** · 9 January 2009, 9:44 am

Great video guys! What a nice treat to have another to watch today!

I'm not sure if it's just me, but the music makes j.todd a little hard to hear in the beginning and end, when it overlaps...

**Fergie** · 9 January 2009, 11:20 am

Very interesting video! APCW and Perspectives Weekly are a great asset for affiliates.

**thepichi** · 9 January 2009, 11:28 am

Very intriguing story, I hope CAP is not implicated on this matter. But I don’t know why I’m pessimist about it. In this world money is more important than moral.

Thanks for the videoz.. <O

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**TheGooner** · 9 January 2009, 12:20 pm

Originally Posted by GPWA Teresa

I'm not sure if it's just me, but the music makes j.todd a little hard to hear in the beginning and end, when it overlaps...

It wasn't just you ... I also found the overlap a bit jarring.

It seemed to be a busy day on the street and I think that the background noise made it harder to get a good sound level on J.Todd without also increasing car / dog / genral noise too.

**GamTrak** · 9 January 2009, 4:03 pm

I wanted to ask if that was Lou's personal home address that you flashed up on the screen in this video for Affiliate Media, Inc?

Affiliate Media Corporate Headquarters
32 Discovery
Suite 270
Irvine, CA 92618

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Effective Media Group, LLC
Atlanta Headquarters
7380 Spouts Springs Road
Suite 210-143
Flowery Branch, Georgia 30542
o: 770 965 3015
f: 770 965 2040

Effective Media Group, LLC
Miami, FL Office
4581 Weston Road
Suite 265
Weston, FL 33331

**Dominique** · 9 January 2009, 4:19 pm

These are business addresses, gamtrak.

However, the private addresses of Lou and Warren were also published, and that is not cool!

**GamTrak** · 9 January 2009, 4:22 pm

JTodd, can you please take that video down and make one that has the home addresses blurred out or something? That is not cool at all.

**Enke** · 9 January 2009, 4:37 pm

Lou just made a thread over at CAP about his personal information being posted in the most recent APCW video. I wanted to share my thoughts.

For those of you that don't know me, I have been on the poker affiliate side of the industry since 2001-02, and the founder of the original poker affiliate forums at PokerAffiliateWorld.com which are now owned by CAP. (PAP)

I can absolutely see Lou's frustrations about his home address being posted. However I sincerely doubt this was the intention of Jtodd when making the video. This looked like the address that was listed on the State's website, so actually, the information was already "posted on the internet".

And although I feel Lou's pain here, he is not the only victim. It sucks having your wife call you crying doesn't it? Amongst the multiple legal threats that have been sent out by CAP attorney's in the last 2 months to multiple individuals, I have been the recipient of (2), and another email just an hour ago.

Guess what, my wife called me crying when she saw a threatening legal letter saying I was going to be sued for $1.5+ million dollars. I have invested a great deal of my personal savings to start my own business and launch PokerAffiliateListings. Likewise I have worked my ass off to be a leader in the poker affiliate industry for 7+ years.

While I have no ill will against anyone at CAP, and I genuinely feel bad for Lou, he is by far not the only victim here. Lou, Do you think those of us getting constant C&D's and threats from CAP attorneys sleep well at night?

Do you think it is not ******* with my wife's head knowing that if you file a frivelous lawsuit against me or an injunction (which has been threatened) that I will no longer be able to provide for her and my two daughters and that I am going to lose my home, my savings, and everything I have worked 7 years for in this industry.

Personally, I have noting to hide regarding my business, and I have my home address listed in the whois for PAL. The sky is not falling.

This whole mess could have easily avoided in so many different ways. There is not a militia of people out to get CAP. But when bullies threaten EVERYONE else in the industry around, at some point, well, these individuals are going to get fed up, stand up for themselves, and fight back.

**GamTrak** · 9 January 2009, 4:43 pm

Originally Posted by Enke

Do you think it is not ******* with my wife's head knowing that if you file a frivelous lawsuit against me or an injunction (which has been threatened) that I will no longer be able to provide for her and my two daughters and that I am going to lose my home, my savings, and everything I have worked 7 years for in this industry.

Who are you?

Edit: Okay I see who you are. So you feel it's okay to post someone private home address right?

**Brandon** · 9 January 2009, 4:51 pm

Originally Posted by GamTrak

Who are you?

Edit: Okay I see who you are. So you feel it's okay to post someone private home address right?

Thats not at all what he was saying.

**Anthony** · 9 January 2009, 5:11 pm

The video shows what is on a public record.
There was never any intent to put anyones home address up.
We will remove it and upload a new version.

I will post a new link when the video is ready.

**GamTrak** · 9 January 2009, 5:22 pm

Originally Posted by APCW Anthony

The video shows what is on a public record.
There was never any intent to put anyones home address up.
We will remove it and upload a new version.

I will post a new link when the video is ready.

Thank you Anthony!

I know it's public record so is my home address, but you can bet if someone posted it in public then it would not be pretty.

**MichaelCorfman** · 9 January 2009, 6:47 pm

I'd just like to be clear about what we did and what we are doing with today's video.

First of all, the information that was published in the You Tube video was indeed just screen captures from the public information state websites show for Affiliate Media and Effective Media. What I now understand is that these public records list their home addresses rather than their business address.

I'd like to be clear that was not obvious to us. I have said there is a clear relationship between Lou and Warren and Cardspike, and there has been a demand that I provide documentation to justify the statements I have made by many people, including GamTrak who has posted in this thread. And all we were trying to do is to examine public records that were helpful in terms of our demonstrating some of the information that is important in terms of establishing that relationship.

Also, to us the address listed for Lou looked to be a business address. Our primary focus was on Effective Media Group, and we knew from separate searches that Effective Media Group owned the property at that address.

Now Lou or Warren could have called me right away about the issue - they have my number and we have called and spoken to each other from time to time. But instead they had their attorney call random numbers around our office, so it took hours for me to get the message.

When I did get the message I consulted our technical staff and determined what was involved in taking down the video, and we had the video removed within about fifteen minutes after I found out about the situation.

I have consulted with our attorney about the matter, and determined that there was no legal reason we needed to take it down. But I agree with everyone that publishing home addresses is not cool, and not what I want us to be doing. In the consultation with Lou's attorney he stated to me that he did not realize the information was so publicly available the way they had filed their business records, and that thought it should have been done differently. I agree with him.

At the present time we are in the midst of editing the video so that the addresses are obscured. We will repost the video once that work is completed. The good news is that there were not that many views of the video at the time it was taken down. We had not yet gone through our normal promotion process for the video so not many people had seen it yet.

Since I am banned from making any posts at CAP, I would appreciate it if someone who is not banned would post a comment with a link back to this post in the CAP forum thread where I have been told J.Todd and I am being accused of stalking the professor. That way folks there can see a more complete explaination of what transpired.

Thank you,

Michael

**Randy72560** · 9 January 2009, 7:42 pm

Heh, it's amazing to me that after all the threats, nasty emails, nasty IM's that Lou and Warren want to act like victims now.. They have robbed me personally of almost 4k at this point with Cardspike, and after I spoke out repeatedly I have been threatened by Lou and Warren and then finally banned. Then threatened some more.

This is how bullies act when people start to cal them out on it, they want sympathy.. I agree that home addresses and family should not be involved, but this obviously is public record open to everyone, and I seriously doubt it was even intentional..

I am glad the videos was removed because it show that GPWA and APCW are ABOVE those type of tactics, CAP cannot say the same..

Please keep up the good work guys!

From Lou:

11/20/2008 11:18:15 PM we are consulting for cardspike - greg works for another company that we own called Effective Media

From Warren:

[1/7/2009 1:10:34 PM] Warren Jolly says: randy
[1/7/2009 1:10:48 PM] Warren Jolly says: cut the threads out once and for all
[1/7/2009 1:10:55 PM] Warren Jolly says: on PAP/PAL about carspike
[1/7/2009 1:27:32 PM] Warren Jolly says: until then, I've banned you on PAP. sorry man, but you're being a complete dickhead.

[1/7/2009 2:34:04 PM] Randy says: This doesn't have to be a big drama bomb, this is silly
[1/7/2009 2:35:12 PM] Warren Jolly says: my anger will reflect in the courts
[1/7/2009 2:35:20 PM] Warren Jolly says: and everyone will pay the necessary price
[1/7/2009 2:35:35 PM] Warren Jolly says: CAP/PAP are well-funded, well-established businesses that don't get damaged by idiots posting damaging remarks

**GamTrak** · 9 January 2009, 8:37 pm

Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman

At the present time we are in the midst of editing the video so that the addresses are obscured. We will repost the video once that work is completed. The good news is that there were not that many views of the video at the time it was taken down. We had not yet gone through our normal promotion process for the video so not many people had seen it yet.

Since I am banned from making any posts at CAP, I would appreciate it if someone who is not banned would post a comment with a link back to this post in the CAP forum thread where I have been told J.Todd and I am being accused of stalking the professor. That way folks there can see a more complete explaination of what transpired.

Thank you for editing the video Michael.

**casinobonusguy** · 9 January 2009, 9:04 pm

Originally Posted by Enke

Lou just made a thread over at CAP about his personal information being posted in the most recent APCW video. I wanted to share my thoughts.

For those of you that don't know me, I have been on the poker affiliate side of the industry since 2001-02, and the founder of the original poker affiliate forums at PokerAffiliateWorld.com which are now owned by CAP. (PAP)

I can absolutely see Lou's frustrations about his home address being posted. However I sincerely doubt this was the intention of Jtodd when making the video. This looked like the address that was listed on the State's website, so actually, the information was already "posted on the internet".

And although I feel Lou's pain here, he is not the only victim. It sucks having your wife call you crying doesn't it? Amongst the multiple legal threats that have been sent out by CAP attorney's in the last 2 months to multiple individuals, I have been the recipient of (2), and another email just an hour ago.

Guess what, my wife called me crying when she saw a threatening legal letter saying I was going to be sued for $1.5+ million dollars. I have invested a great deal of my personal savings to start my own business and launch PokerAffiliateListings. Likewise I have worked my ass off to be a leader in the poker affiliate industry for 7+ years.

While I have no ill will against anyone at CAP, and I genuinely feel bad for Lou, he is by far not the only victim here. Lou, Do you think those of us getting constant C&D's and threats from CAP attorneys sleep well at night?

Do you think it is not ******* with my wife's head knowing that if you file a frivelous lawsuit against me or an injunction (which has been threatened) that I will no longer be able to provide for her and my two daughters and that I am going to lose my home, my savings, and everything I have worked 7 years for in this industry.

Personally, I have noting to hide regarding my business, and I have my home address listed in the whois for PAL. The sky is not falling.

This whole mess could have easily avoided in so many different ways. There is not a militia of people out to get CAP. But when bullies threaten EVERYONE else in the industry around, at some point, well, these individuals are going to get fed up, stand up for themselves, and fight back.

All I can say is Wow.It is really sad to see you guys not getting along.At least the address gone removed fromt he video and I suppose lou should fix these public records to remove personal address.

**Anthony** · 10 January 2009, 7:20 am

The new video is now up.

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