AffPower, former GPWA Gold sponsor (old welcome thread)

**ocreditor** · 28 June 2014, 1:44 am

Originally Posted by edgarf76

Welcome aboard

I guess it happens when you dont read the entire post... lol

**Anthony** · 2 July 2014, 8:29 pm

Originally Posted by -Shay-

LOL... It looks like you're too late in welcoming them. If I'm not mistaking, they've been involuntarily removed as sponsors.

AffPower was not involuntary removed from GPWA.

I modified the title of the tread to indicate they are no longer sponsors, posting in old welcome threads of former sponsors can be confusing to people wanting to welcome new GPWA sponsors.

**Fernanda - AFFPOWER** · 3 July 2014, 2:19 am

Hi Anthony,

Thank you very much for the clarification and thanks as well to the belated "welcomers"

Cheers,
Fernanda

**-Shay-** · 3 July 2014, 3:59 am

Fernanda,you might want to scroll through this forum or do an AffPower search, as there's a few more threads you SHOULD be responding to rather than trying to do rep management here in this thread AFTER Anthony posted on your behalf. For example, try responding here.

**Fernanda - AFFPOWER** · 3 July 2014, 4:15 am

Hi Shay,

Thanks for the suggestion. That issue was solved with the player long ago on AskGamblers.
We provided all the documents required and the closure was positive on our behalf.

Cheers,
Fernanda

**-Shay-** · 3 July 2014, 4:37 am

Originally Posted by Fernanda - AFFPOWER

Hi Shay,

Thanks for the suggestion. That issue was solved with the player long ago on AskGamblers.
We provided all the documents required and the closure was positive on our behalf.

Cheers,
Fernanda

Thank you for the post and clarification.

**Roulette Zeitung** · 3 July 2014, 5:12 am

90% of all German players don't use sites like Casinomeister or Askgamblers because we have our own reporting forums, and exactly these German forums are flooded with complaints about their criminal terms and actions against players.

With the exception of Club Gold Casino I've never seen such predatory terms to strike down players as by Deuce Club Casino and Cosmik Casino.

Originally Posted by Anthony

AffPower was not involuntary removed from GPWA.

That's clear. If you can't live with criticism or can't pay the sponsor fee, then it's better to say "Good bye" voluntary.

Originally Posted by AffPower

Thanks for the suggestion. That issue was solved with the player long ago on AskGamblers.

What is the problem with you? I personally stay in contact with German players, because I am well informed nearly every day, what's going on in the background in Germany, and nothing is solved! In May 2014 fresh warnings about your casinos came on the air with the same problem.

This is the way, their casinos are "solving" problems if players was strike down by the criminal term without using any bonus:

(Live Chat)

Annette: sorry , I can't do anything if you don't like our rules
Annette: that's your problem

You are blacklisted on so many German pages, that players, who read all the facts, wouldn't touch your casinos with a ten-foot pole.

Under German law they will be jailed!

Originally Posted by Anthony

posting in old welcome threads of former sponsors can be confusing to people wanting to welcome new GPWA sponsors.

I see that quite differently. The audience has a right of transparency, and in the past no one was informed with a post, if a sponsor was no longer sponsor here. And if a sponsor is no longer sponsor, then there are reasons for it. Who's looking into the "former sponsor" area? That's the crux of the matter. In the past it happened on the quiet, when a sponsor was no longer sponsor, but there is nothing to hide, or?

And if writers, before writing 3 words, are not reading, what happened, what's going on in a thread, then it's not the problem of the thread. If this is a philosophy, then a forum needs only one (!) thread for all postings together.

"Forum" = Plaza in old city of Rome, where public speeches, elections and criminal trials took place.

And members of the "Forum" listened closely, because that's the philosophy of a forum.

Leopold

**Roulette Zeitung** · 3 July 2014, 7:03 am

Addendum to my last (updated) post from a little while ago today

AskGamblers = Don't bite the hand that feeds you! (https://www.askgamblers.com/bonus/mat...casino-usd560/)

Originally Posted by Fernanda - AFFPOWER

That issue was solved with the player long ago on AskGamblers.
We provided all the documents required and the closure was positive on our behalf.

Originally Posted by -shay-

Thank you for the post and clarification.

Clarification?
I will show the audience the truth about how Deuce Club or Cosmik Casino issues will be solved at AskGamblers:

Originally Posted by Cosmik Casino

[...] We've checked your games history and by our T&C your total bet of (€10) did break the 30% rule.

And the simple fact is, that if you read further, Askgamblers, who don't bite the hand that feeds, will applaud to the criminal act!

Source: https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-co...ings-cancelled

And this is only ONE example!

Don't forget: The criminal term will strike down every (!) player, if she/he is using bonus or not!

If you don't know, which rule we are talking about, then you can read all details here:

https://www.cpcamcctv.com/forum/warning-a...tml#post731063

And one question to the GPWA stuff:

Why Affpower is still marked as "Sponsor Affiliate Program" ???

Source https://www.cpcamcctv.com/member/fernanda-affpower

Leopold

**Fernanda - AFFPOWER** · 3 July 2014, 7:46 am

@Leopold

Thanks for your suggestions and warnings. We do our best to provide our players an amazing gaming experience. Despite your concerns, I see no point in discussing our T&C once again.

Our affiliates are happy, we take care of them, we provide the best marketing tools and tailored commissions. We can proudly say that we count with the utmost professional affiliates support team and we strive to be on top of every new and ongoing campaign to make them as profitable as any campaign can be.

We work side by side with our affiliates, optimizing campaigns, mailers, landing pages and even on-site SEO. Any German affiliate not working with us is definitely missing out and I can say the same about German players.

Regarding AskGamblers, in my and many other industry professionals' opinion, is a 100% trusted site by both players and affiliates. We are happy to be able to solve any dispute through an open forum like AskGamblers. I found the below quoted mention quite insulting for such recognized site.

And the simple fact is, that if you read further, Askgamblers, who don't bite the hand that feeds, will applaud to the criminal act!

I'd choose being more respectful when mentioning one of the biggest and most respected casino players' community worldwide.

Since we strive to please both our players and affiliates, we do appreciate your feedback and will be taken into consideration.

Cheers!

**Roulette Zeitung** · 3 July 2014, 8:38 am

"Thanks for your suggestions and warnings. We do our best to provide our players an amazing gaming experience. Despite your concerns, I see no point in discussing our T&C once again.

Our affiliates are happy, we take care of them, we provide the best marketing tools and tailored commissions. We can proudly say that we count with the utmost professional affiliates support team and we strive to be on top of every new and ongoing campaign to make them as profitable as any campaign can be.

We work side by side with our affiliates, optimizing campaigns, mailers, landing pages and even on-site SEO. Any German affiliate not working with us is definitely missing out and I can say the same about German players."

OMG!

I am really tired in reading these hackneyed platitudes. It's like a horoscope. You can create different ones with star signs, and if you give people one of them (without knowing which star sign), and after it changing them and let the people read a different one. They will be surprised and say: "Oh, every star sign horoscope match me."

Because every horoscope is written in a way, that some parts will match!

As I was 16 I have written as a ghost writer love letters for my shy friends, that they can transport their feelings to the girls, but every word was always individual. This is also the art of empathy.

That's the reason, why I can't read hackneyed platitudes anymore. It's like a sandblaster for my eyes.

If I see, how other really good programs are working, how serious other casinos are, e.g. Interpartners or Harbour Partners, then I can only say, that you can't blow dark clouds away. They remain in the sky until the rain is falling. At the end the clouds dissolve and disappears from memory. Everyone can freely take a breath and sunshine returns from banishment.

You can fool people as long as they are intellectual below your own horizon, but there is something that is beyond every horizon, because we see the world with a wrong perception ... upside down.

Leopold

**Fernanda - AFFPOWER** · 3 July 2014, 8:50 am

@Leopold

Happy that you are happy with other brands, glad you have a great variety to choose.

Happy that our affiliates are happy with us, glad and thankful they keep on choosing us.

I'd thank for the feedback but there's none... just some comments about clouds, rain and horoscope

Cheers anyway

**Roulette Zeitung** · 3 July 2014, 9:07 am

Facts are stronger than hackneyed platitudes.

Originally Posted by Fernanda - AFFPOWER

Happy that our affiliates are happy with us

Oh yes, some of them are really very, very happy!

Originally Posted by ganarencasinos

Affpower - Commissions July-August without paying
[...]
The reason for this email is to introduce the problem we have with the affiliate program and concrete Affpower promotion casino brand "Cosmik Casino".

We almost 1 month behind them to get paid commissions July that should have been paid at the latest on 15 August (in total €584), right now we also have the August amounting to (€292), total of two months are €876 we do not know very well when we go to collect them.

[...]

Originally Posted by ganarencasinos

Nothing, after 60 days, we still owe money, we have talked to Mickael, another mate Alex, but nothing changes.

Source: https://www.cpcamcctv.com/forum/affpower-...tml#post732168

More?

Should we talk about Jxxxxxx?

Leopold

**Fernanda - AFFPOWER** · 3 July 2014, 9:35 am

@Leopold

As I said (and I repeat) our affiliates are happy with us and we are glad they chose us.

You are free to talk about whatever you'd wish to talk. I'd be happy to answer if you have a question or a concern, otherwise I believe this conversation is not going anywhere... is this even a conversation?

If you'd like to know what's the situation of past Affpower affiliates' issues, I suggest you check first if it's ok with them.

If required by GPWA we will forward the pertinent documents for each case and all information will go public.

Cheers!

**Roulette Zeitung** · 3 July 2014, 10:39 am

Originally Posted by Fernanda - AFFPOWER

You are free to talk about whatever you'd wish to talk. I'd be happy to answer if you have a question or a concern

Thank you for your invitation. Yes, I have a question:

Is it true, that the GPWA member johnjohn24 (https://www.cpcamcctv.com/member/johnjohn24) is nothing else than a troublemaker, tied to your company, sent out to discredit the rising company and french market competitor BestPayPartners with this thread?:

https://www.cpcamcctv.com/forum/eurofortu...tml#post756352

Leopold

**Fernanda - AFFPOWER** · 3 July 2014, 12:53 pm

Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung

Thank you for your invitation. Yes, I have a question:

Is it true, that the GPWA member johnjohn24 (https://www.cpcamcctv.com/member/johnjohn24) is nothing else than a troublemaker, tied to your company, sent out to discredit the rising company and french market competitor BestPayPartners with this thread?:

https://www.cpcamcctv.com/forum/eurofortu...tml#post756352

Leopold

I think this is a question that needs to be asked to johnjohn24.

We barely had time to participate in the forum as Sponsor Affiliate Program so honestly, I don't think we had time to play games.

If this affiliate had problems with other affiliate program then it's something that needs to be solved with the mentioned affiliate program. So I don't quite understand the origin of your question but it's evident that we can't keep on discussing irrelevant issues to Affpower.

Do you know that the average affiliate works with more than 10 affiliate programs at the same time? So if certain affiliate is not happy with X aff program then is a troublemaker sent by us?

Or the other way around, if someone is not happy with us then he's a troublemaker sent by our competitors?

I see you point fingers very easily based on speculations and at this point your behavior and evident will of harming our brand is suspicious. Maybe you are a troublemaker sent by other brand?

Let's make this clear once and for all:
1) We don't need to send troublemakers to grow as a brand
2) We don't have the time to send troublemakers
3) No legitimate affiliate have had any unsolved issue with Affpower
4) Affiliates might like or not our Players' T&C and might as well decide if they want to work with us or not
5) If someone has an issue with our brand we will take care of it accordingly in due time and form

As for you, I'd invite you to test our program to show you how real conversion and affiliate support looks like but you already mentioned you are not interested.

Following up on this thread took me more time than what I should have invested and I get the feeling we are going nowhere.

I respect your point of view and ideas but they aren't constructive in any way, neither to us, nor to affiliates or you.

Cheers

**Roulette Zeitung** · 3 July 2014, 1:39 pm

Horizon ... horizon ... horizon

Thank you so much for this words:

"Maybe you are a troublemaker sent by other brand?"

This is exactly, what I have expected. It's the same style, the Club Gold Casino manager used in the past here in GPWA. But I don't work for BestPayPartners or for another brand in french market!

By the way: It's really a stupid idea to use a member name "johnjohn24" to discredit the leading man with the first name "John" from BestPayPartners.

If people with common sense read your last post, then they know, where the wind is blowing.

There are only two options:

1. You are only an unsuspecting employee and have absolutely no idea what's going on in your company.

2. You behave as if you are only an unsuspecting employee with no idea what's going on.

If option 1 is valid, then I feel sorry for you.

Option 2 is a highly dangerous undertaking, because the full truth is more worst than what I have written before (https://www.cpcamcctv.com/forum/affpower-...tml#post760546), and I will not hesitate to make it public.

I stay in contact with your victims ... players and other persons ... and I'll not be browbeaten.

If your company tries to harm me as other people, I promise you, that the AffPower staff will be arrested by German police next year in Berlin directly from the conference stand because in my land I have the power over people like that, and our law is very hard against blackmailers and cyberstalkers.

5 years prison without probation.

By German standards very hard! A good thing.

---

Thank you to the GPWA staff to mark AffPower as "Non-sponsor Affiliate Program".

Leopold

**Fernanda - AFFPOWER** · 3 July 2014, 2:29 pm

Looks like you are eager to be left with the last word

I'll let you do so, disregarding the long lines of nonsense you wrote before and letting you know what I think in a very few words.

I think GPWA should choose its' members more carefully or at least moderate posts like the one before, where someone openly threats another member based on false, unsustained, speculative accusations for which you are liable.

If your company tries to harm me as other people, I promise you, that the AffPower stuff will be arrested by German police next year in Berlin directly from the conference stand because in my land I have the power over people like that, and our law is very hard against blackmailers and cyberstalkers.

This is as ridiculous as the rest of your statements. Now you can have the last word Leopold

**Roulette Zeitung** · 3 July 2014, 3:02 pm

Originally Posted by Fernanda - AFFPOWER

Now you can have the last word Leopold

I'd be glad to!

Originally Posted by Fernanda - AFFPOWER

I think GPWA should choose its' members more carefully or at least moderate posts like the one before

Good grief! The cry for censorship. You should don't try to stifle the truth with the help of dictatorships techniques.

What I have written is the truth, only a part of the truth, and my conversations of AffPower victims in the last weeks made me very sad.

The conversations clearly showed what it is capable of doing, and if you kvetch because of Berlin: I have to protect my family and my zoo, and I will use all the powers to ensure that. I help others without getting any advantage. Some people can't understand that, but that's not my problem.

I willingly concede that option 1 is valid and I hope, that you will find a new professional challenge with renewed energy and a touch more thoughtfulness.

Goodbye!

Leopold

**celena** · 4 July 2014, 2:36 am

Originally Posted by Fernanda - AFFPOWER

I think GPWA should choose its' members more carefully or at least moderate posts like the one before, where someone openly threats another member based on false, unsustained, speculative accusations for which you are liable.

Hi Fernanda,

Why you talk like that GPWA? GPWA is moderate.
Every webmaster said what he has to say.

Your platform affiliation has changed names three times, redirected links to a new casino without having informed me. Conan Partners, the last I had all my links were going on Cosmik. I agree with Roulette, when you see what is happening to me. After what I just read, I removed your casinos of my sites.

**Fernanda - AFFPOWER** · 4 July 2014, 3:52 am

Originally Posted by celena

Hi Fernanda,

Why you talk like that GPWA? GPWA is moderate.
Every webmaster said what he has to say.

Your platform affiliation has changed names three times, redirected links to a new casino without having informed me. Conan Partners, the last I had all my links were going on Cosmik. I agree with Roulette, when you see what is happening to me. After what I just read, I removed your casinos of my sites.

Just a quick clarification
1) I don't think that threatening other members online is the purpose of GPWA
2) When Conan became Cosmik was just a matter of branding. Cosmik is now one of the brands of Conan Gaming
3) Please let me know what's your username with us since I can't find any traffic coming from your URL ever.

Cheers.

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